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PTO Gone - Now What?

I work in sales and have been with the company almost 5 years and have earned 4 weeks of pto per year I just got an email stating effective immed. we will no longer be paid for our time off we can take the time yet will not be paid?

I understand that pto does not have to be paid out if i would leave or not use but how can you take away paid time off i have already accrued prob. 120 this year i have not used yet i was on salary plus comission and now is 25% of our salary and rest is comm. is this common ??? can they take away my paid time off I have already earned at the previous policy?? is this legal??? I am in arizona


Len Green
Title: Performance Improvement Consultant and E..
Company: Haygarth Consulting LLC
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(Performance Improvement Consultant and ERP Strategist, Haygarth Consulting LLC) |

1-Gather all documents and emails relating to PTO policy, new decisions etc.
2-Contact your state Dept of Labor and ask for advice.

Then figure out how you want to approach the company:
-point out an error that you thought they should know (if that is proven to be an error)
-ask them what factors drove the decision (if it is not illegal)
-be adverserial about it

Len Green
Title: Performance Improvement Consultant and E..
Company: Haygarth Consulting LLC
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(Performance Improvement Consultant and ERP Strategist, Haygarth Consulting LLC) |

In case my first post was not clear enough, adverserial is the last resort.
Your desired outcome of this situation should drive your choice of approach.
Keep us posted as to how it is resolved.

(Controller) |

Hi Anonymous,

Please be more clear with your question and writing. Small issues with the wording can greatly change questions. From what I am reading, it looks like you are asking if a company can take away PTO, but it also may be that the company is simply just no longer paying out for unused PTO. The former is extreme and I think would be highly unlikely, but the latter sounds more reasonable. Regardless, get all your ducks in a row by collecting all your employment documents, get clarity from HR on the issue, and follow up with your manager. Be diligent and if it is the extreme of taking away all PTO, then be adversarial. There may be some legal issues involved, but HR likely is on top of those.

Please let us know what happens.

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Wayne Spivak
Title: President & CFO
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(President & CFO, |

Once you obtain all your documents and the opinion of the DOL and Company, if you believe adversarial is warranted, speak with a Labor/Employment lawyer (we're talking about someone who basically handles this speciality, not a lawyer that will handle everything).

Then determine your next steps (law suits are expensive, and are extremely lengthy if a compromise can not be reached).

(Director of Finance) |

I would also verify in the policy if there is a cap. Most programs will only allow you to accrue to a certain point and then the accrual process stops until PTO is used to bring it below the limit. If there is a cap, the accrual would have stopped even though you may have thought that it was continuing.

Wendy Piston
Title: Global Talent Office Manager
Company: Global Convergence, Inc.
(Global Talent Office Manager, Global Convergence, Inc.) |

Are you an inside or outside sales person?

Rebecca LeClaire
Title: Controller
Company: Liquid Measurement Systems, Inc.
(Controller, Liquid Measurement Systems, Inc.) |

I just want to point out that you cannot "un-ring" a bell, so make sure you have clarity to what the new policy actually is before you involve the DOL in your state. That can make it unpleasant for everyone involved, even if, in the end, it ends up being a simple misinterpretation. If the company has treated you fairly during your 5 years you have been there, you should try to give the benefit of the doubt until you have clarity. It would be highly unusual for a company who offers accrued PTO and pays out for unused, to go to the extreme of revoking accumulated and forward actual paid time off. As a prior poster mentioned, it is more likely that the new policy is to not pay out for time that has not been used, at the end of the companies fiscal year. So essentially, use it or lose it. Hopefully that is the case.


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